Name that Gun - Edition Two! SOLVED!

Today, I had the distinct honor to have an old friend introduce me to a neighbor of his who has a magnificent collection of blackpowder cartridge guns of yesteryear. I got to spend almost two hours with this fine collection.

I'll write a post or two on this collection, which the owner allowed me to photograph part of, on the condition that the photos not identify him or the location.

Without further ado, here is the first "Name that Gun". Usual rules apply, first to get it right gets their name in Glorious Bold letters right here!

You shouldn't need a hint, but this type revolver predated our War Between the States by a full decade or more...

So, you're feeling cocky, eh?

I can tell you that this is the only handgun I looked at (didn't touch, either). The rest of the firearms included a series of fine double fowling pieces, all blackpowder cartridge arms, and this:

So, smarties, name that gun! To get full credit for this one, you'll have to guess the manufacturer (not so hard as it might seem), and I'll give you TWO stabs at the gauge.

We'll talk more and have more photos when there have been some tries at the correct results posted. Yes that's a "tease", and you know how I hate teases, so it's hard for me to wait, also!

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You give up too easily. That's NOT a scattergun, it's a dangerous-game DOUBLE RIFLE!!! Yep, a Holland & Holland 10-bore "Elephant Gun"

BTW, 10-bore is .775 caliber! An 875-gr bullet travelling at 1900 feet per second makes over SEVEN THOUSAND foot-pounds of muzzle energy, and in the double-rifle, you have TWO of those at your immediate command. Wowza!

Comments

[Skip Edmonds]

Rivrdog is 90% correct. It is a Model 1854 12mm pin fire revolver. But, I believe it is a later second or third generation of that weapon. More along the lines of the 11 to 12 thousand (Serial #s 25,000 - 37,00) that the North (US) shipped in to supplement the Colts, Remingtons and LeMats. The first generation of this weapon was, I believe, designed and patented Nov. 4, 1854. The major difference was first generation had an octagonal barrel and a different front sight. I just happen to have a First Generation with a Serial # about 2,000 below those that were used by the North. Ya'll have a good day. Skip

[Rivrdog]

OK, time for another hint. The ammo this time. It is a 10-bore, 3 1/2", shooting 2 oz of lead...

[Chaplain]

The long gun, OK, I've exhausted my many years of detective experience and I concede! You've "stumped the chump"! I'll wait with anticipation for the answer, but this better not be a trick question... I know where you live and where the Tolly's parked (LOL)! Good one, Dog... keep up the good work!

[Rivrdog]

OK, that's a decent guess on the SxS, Chaplain, but no cigar for you!

Points of comparison: handmade, yes; underlock similarity, yes.

engraving: not similar. The Zeller, an example here:

http://www.jacksonarmory.com/ja/shotgunsDetail.php?mainID=8645

is much more ornate.

So, you rate 2 hints:

The SxS I showed weighs 15#, and is of a larger bore than 12-ga.

Keep guessing....

[Chaplain]

The long gun, now that's a tough one. Let's try a J. Zeller SXS 12ga. Shotgun circa late 1800's ?

[Rivrdog]

OK, you got the first one, which was easy. Of course, I could ask if it was a licensed Belgian Lefaucheaux or an actual factory French one...

The Chaplain knows his pinfires!

Now, about that hammer-double....

[Chaplain]

a MODEL 1854 12MM LEFAUCHEUX PIN FIRE REVOLVER